Last month when the IT security world convened in San Francisco for the annual RSA confab, a number of security experts tackled DevOps in talks that covered the crossover between continuous improvement and risk management. Among them was a lively panel mythbusting some of the most prevalent misconceptions about DevOps held by the security community.

Moderated by Dwayne Melancon of Tripwire, the panel was made up of Josh Corman, CTO of Sonatype, Nick Galbreath, vice president of engineering at IPONWEB, Gene Kim, author of The Phoenix Project, and David Mortman chief security architect and distinguished engineer for Dell Enstratius, all of them security professionals and very active DevOps evangelists. The banter backed-and-forthed between the participants, with four myths bubbling to the surface as particular highlights from the discussion.

Myth #1: DevOps Pace Will Leave Security In The Dust

One of the most prevalent myths about DevOps within the security community is that the rapid deploys of the approach will throw all risk management precautions to the wind and leave security practices behind as a result. Quite the contrary, panelists argued. They believe that DevOps patterns make it more possible than ever to bake security practices into IT processes more than before, when it is frequently bolted on “at the end of the caboose,” as Galbreath puts it.

“You’re not throwing out your current security system,” he said. “What you’re doing is removing a lot of the junk work that eats up so much time and keeps people underwater. You’re really enabling different teams to all improve security together.”

As Corman explained, security people say all the time that complexity is the enemy of security.

“It also happens to be the enemy of stability,” he said. “That is the reason DevOps people come willingly with open arms to the security community.”

Not to mention, Kim added, “because you can’t be highly available and have stuff coming continuously through the pipeline if it is not secure.

Myth #2: DevOps Destroys Compliance And Control Frameworks

This myth came up during the audience Q&A portion of the panel, where one audience member from the financial industry wondered at how possible it would be to institute DevOps in a highly regulated industry. According to Mortman, as seemingly chaotic and fast-and-furious as the DevOps pace can seem to the uninitiated, it is actually far more process-oriented than people realize.

“People say ‘Oh, there’s no process to this.’ But it is actually very process oriented,” he said. “It’s just not very bureaucracy-oriented. There’s not a lot of paperwork. In its very guts, it is very service-oriented and very delivery-oriented.”

As he puts it, every compliance framework in the planet says you need to log, audit and approve changes. But none of them stipulate a workflow where each change has to be approved one at a time.

“The workflow can be ‘Please approve the following list of actions that I can do without notifying you first,'” he explained, “and as long as you have an audit trail showing that that has been done properly, I have yet to meet an auditor who will not buy into that.”

Myth #3: DevOps Gives Developers Too Much Power

Many dyed-in-the-wool security pros fear DevOps because they believe it is a cowboy environment that gives developers too much power.

“I’ll be honest, when i first started observing DevOps patterns, developers doing their own deploys seemed immoral to me; irresponsible, reckless, just shouldn’t be done,” Kim said. “No sane person would want to be associated with that, right?”

The thing was, after Kim dove in and also did a benchmark study with Tripwire several years ago across 4,000 organizations, he found that when comparing groups where ops did the deploys to those where developers shepherded code through deploys, change success rates and mean time to repair were not adversely affected, and in fact, “it is often considered indispensible that developers take code all the way through the deployment pipeline and you know they are getting great outcomes.”

And from a security controls perspective, the truth is that in a DevOps situation developers “are not logging individually into each server and SSH’ing the code up, untarring it and installing it,” Mortman said. Instead these actions are being done by automated systems.

“They’re actually going to give you much better timestamps, much more accuracy, and more consistent results and visibility than a manual process being done by someone in ops,” Mortman said. “So, actually, you’re getting better change management out of that system than you are in other situations.”

Myth #4: DevOps Cuts Important Testing

One discussion point also brought up during audience Q&A was the possibility that DevOps would somehow excise important testing functionality from the IT process. The panel quickly put that one to bed.

“You can do bad testing in any model,” Corman said. “If DevOps starts eliminating any kind of testing, its a bad DevOps program. I think that’s orthogonal to some of the benefits or opportunities of DevOps.”

Kim pointed to Google as an example of how testing fits into the DevOps methodology.

“So, Google does about 5,500 code commits per day, they have about 15,000 software engineers, and 75 million hours of testing is run each day,” he said. “You can’t get that massive amount of deployment frequencies without a tremendous amount of testing.”