Not every expert says DevOps will enable the hybrid cloud. One says it never will. Find out why in this Q&A with Bob Brodie, partner and CTO of SUMO Heavy, a digital commerce design and development firm.

David Geer: How will DevOps enable the hybrid cloud?

Brodie: I do not feel that DevOps enables the hybrid cloud. Hybrid clouds are very complex, and DevOps would need to be supported by a team of network and system engineers. The beauty of being on the cloud is that it’s API-driven. You can provision servers and configure and deploy with tools that are easy to set up.

Bringing dedicated servers into that environment which do not have tooling to match the cloud counterpart means that it can’t be solely maintained by a DevOps team, but rather needs much more support. We have worked in hybrid cloud environments, and have experienced firsthand the amount of effort and resources required to create and maintain a hybrid cloud environment.

Geer: What makes hybrid clouds more complex than being either fully in the cloud or fully dedicated?

Brodie: When mixing dedicated servers with cloud servers on the same network, you will likely need parallel VPNs set up so you are not sending your data unencrypted over the internet and so that if there is a networking issue there is a fallback. Setting up full-duplex, parallel VPNs can require both expensive hardware and specialized resources to configure and maintain that hardware.

Geer: Why have tools such as some of the ones AWS is building (OpsWorks On-Premises) not hit the inflection point where these are making it easier to enable the hybrid cloud? What other tools are examples of this?

Brodie: OpsWorks On-Premises is just one tool that AWS has. They also have VPNs to connect your dedicated hardware to your virtual private cloud. These tools aren’t necessarily to make it easier to run a hybrid cloud, but they allow you to utilize existing AWS provisioning and deployment tools to set up and deploy to your existing infrastructure.

Geer: Why do you think these tools never will make it easier to enable the hybrid cloud?

Brodie: Hybrid cloud infrastructure is inherently more complex than being fully dedicated or fully cloud-based. They are two different types of ecosystems, and are managed differently. They require different skill sets and levels of experience within those ecosystems.

Geer: Please expand on your following statement: “The problem is that the methodologies behind the two schools of thought (Separate sysops and dev versus DevOps) are vastly different in thought and practice, and to really bring dedicated hardware into a cloud-based architecture is very cumbersome, especially if the dedicated environment is not utilizing complex virtualization.” What does the difference in schools of thought have to do with it? What does bringing dedicated hardware in have to do with it?

Brodie: My point here is that “DevOps” is often misused. It isn’t a tool, it is a mindset. It’s a combination of development and sysops. A “hybrid cloud” is a mix of dedicated hardware and cloud infrastructure. My main point here is that DevOps practices do not make managing enterprise developments easier across hybrid cloud environments. Hybrid cloud environments are inherently more complex than the alternatives (dedicated hardware or fully cloud-based).

The reason for this is that development is becoming more and more intertwined with sysops. For example, five years ago you could download MAMP onto your Mac and be fully set up with a PHP & MySQL development environment. Modern PHP development requires a developer to understand specific versions of PHP and MySQL, how to manage them, how various applications communicate with each other and, often times, many other applications (Redis, MongoDB, Queueing systems, etc.). These can be complex to maintain, and even if they are distributed to developers from the ops team, it will often be in the form of Vagrant boxes or Docker files, which the developer will be required to understand.

This is the nature of the “DevOps” school of thought, versus the traditional “SysOps separate from development” school of thought. The target environment needs to be considered when developing an application. For example, if the application will reside on AWS then the developer will need to have a solid understanding of the tools available on AWS (RDS, EC2, ElastiCache, etc.). The maintenance of these becomes part of the developer’s job, which was not present in previous times. Adding the extra complexity of a hybrid cloud means that the developer needs to understand the underlying network architecture of that system.

Geer: In what way is the hybrid cloud a settling point, mostly built on marketing?

Brodie: Hybrid cloud environments are not ideal. They are costly to maintain and provide more points of failure because of the networking between them. What it can do is provide a halfway point for CIOs that are reluctant to move to the cloud, so they can see some of the benefits on the cloud side and hopefully move their organization to the cloud.

Geer: What are organizations afraid to let go of?

Brodie: Many organizations are scared to move to the cloud. They may have a CIO/CTO that is afraid of “losing control.” I have seen many environments such as this.